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16 August 2007 @ 09:41 pm
In light of my rather dire view of any canon reunion of the Doctor and Rose, here, have my solution to how to have one (at the end of David Tennant's run) that would be happy and actually probably more beneficial to the show at large:

1.) Doctor goes to other universe.
2.) Doctor stays.
3.) Other universe's Doctor comes back to this one.
4.) Other universe's Doctor has used up far fewer regenerations, so the show can last longer!

Then Rose and her Doctor trip off into the sunset, and no one cares that this isn't technically the same Doctor because how is it really different from a regeneration?

No need to thank me. Just send money.
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lallyloo: doctor who - ten & roselallyloo on August 17th, 2007 01:32 pm (UTC)
that is actually sort of genius.
Milady Hawkemiladyhawke on August 17th, 2007 07:00 pm (UTC)
Hee, that'd be kinda cool. I think canon kinda quashed the possibility with the Doctor saying in RoC that there are no parallel Time Lords - but he's been wrong a good bit, and it's sci fi - they can do whatever they want with it ;)
BohemianNeko: crossingstarsdefaultbohemianneko on August 18th, 2007 05:28 am (UTC)
One thing I'm terrified of, that my mind came up with in terms of a canon reunion is that if they bring Rose back, as Billie Piper isn't going to want to make another terribly longterm commitment to the show, they would let them be happy to see one another for a bit. Let us, as viewers enjoy that, and then kill both of them. The Doctor would regenerate and they'd somehow use the regeneration in one of those generic "I don't quite remember" ways until the wound of Rose's literal death wasn't quite so fresh and then they'd attempt to move on with whoever 11 is. I'm actually quite terrified of something like that happening because Billie Piper is reported to have said that she misses her job at Doctor Who and would consider going back, particularly for David Tennant's last episodes.

Now if only she'd make a longer term commitment...

But who can blame the girl? But I STILL WANT ROSE.
A Guy Named Gooaguynamedgoo on August 18th, 2007 05:35 am (UTC)
Actually, I'd prefer a tragic double-death scene (and have mentioned it elsewhere before) more than I would want to see the Doctor go over and find out that Rose has moved on/no longer wants/needs him. At least then they'd still love each other.
BohemianNekobohemianneko on August 18th, 2007 06:07 am (UTC)
I just don't think Rose would ever get to a point where she'd moved on, though. Maybe to a point where she could function but... I don't want to discuss it too much at the moment though as I had a very nice little plot bunny writing about Rose's life in Pete's World. (Eventual reunion fic but actually starts out as several chapters just about her life and what-not.)
A Guy Named Gooaguynamedgoo on August 18th, 2007 06:52 am (UTC)
Hey, I'm with you. The writers just might not be with us. I somehow doubt that, since motormouth producer Julie Gardner practically creams her panties when talking about Doctor/Rose (er...sorry to be crude) and we know both David and Billie are on our side (although in S3 Doctor Who Confidential, David claims that at the end, the Doctor has finally realized Rose isn't coming back/decided to move on), but I'm a pessimist. Still, this is the person who plotted a fic where being away from the Doctor actually caused Rose physical pain, so I am all for her not being able to move on. (Actually, it was being away from the TARDIS that was killing her.)
BohemianNekobohemianneko on August 18th, 2007 06:57 am (UTC)
I want to see this fic. I'd actually had a lot of similar ideas about the TARDIS affecting Rose (and actually the main idea that's staying with me is vice versa... but again... sshhh, it's a secret as if I ever do write it I'd like someone to be surprised and stand a chance of liking it and if I don't ever write it I don't want to feel guilty for being a tease)
BohemianNeko: david hair rufflebohemianneko on August 18th, 2007 07:04 am (UTC)
Also, in response to David claiming that at the end the Doctor has realized that Rose isn't coming back and has decided to move on, in my opinion the Doctor had already come to that decision before he even met Martha. But just because he decides something with his head doesn't mean he can make his hearts obey, does it? He has to decide that in his head because he can't risk something so big as the two Universes collapsing just for the sake of his own personal pain which is something he's used to now anyway.

I think if you carefully watch when the Doctor met Martha he began sizing her up as a potential new, cute-girl companion. Watch carefully the way he looks at her. He's very obviously impressed, at least with her ability to keep her mouth shut. (Note to Martha: Ohm dear, where did that ability go?) I think, however, by the end of that episode he was still profoundly lonely but working with someone again had reminded him so much of Rose by that point that he realized that he wasn't just going to be able to push a button, impress a girl and move on the way he had with many of his other companions. He had previously been able to induce numbness at the loss of his previous companions even though he loved all of them in some way, but his love for Rose was different and his relationship with her was different because she became the closest thing he had to blood family or otherwise. She was the only person in existence who had, even for a moment, known what it was like to be him. (The Bad Wolf thing is what I'm referring to) That's why he initially won't agree to let Martha come onboard longterm and further insists that she is NOT replacing Rose. He tried to move on just the same as with the others but he couldn't even though in his head he had already convinced himself he had.

The Doctor is the type to try to be far more mechanical than he actually is.
A Guy Named Goo: Rose Watchaguynamedgoo on August 18th, 2007 07:19 am (UTC)
See, I think the main problem with the Doctor is he tried for so long to convince himself that Rose was better off where she was, and that he had done a good thing by letting her be with her family and patted himself on the back for it and that was his way of coping: instead of thinking with his heart, he thought about it logically, and why wouldn't Rose be able to have a happy life with her family, including her late father back? It wasn't until Jack came back that he finally had to confess, to himself and to Jack (who, if you recall from S1, also cared for, possibly loved, Rose a great deal himself, and the first thing he asked the Doctor when he saw him was is she really dead) that she was trapped. He had to wrap his head around the fact that something very tragic has happened for both of them, and neither one of them is going to be able to just pick up and move on, business as usual, as long as they are denying this. That was the Doctor's real first step toward proper grieving and, in that, proper healing. He can't just pick up a new companion and pretend that it's business as usual, he's got to play the part of the widower for a little while. (The Daleks in Manhattan arc was very telling, when he was willing to sacrifice himself to the Daleks because, as he said, they had taken everything from him and he just didn't care anymore.) At the same time, I think Martha finally realized that it wasn't just that the Doctor had a girlfriend, things happened, they're not together anymore, he's ready to move on, especially with her. I think she finally, at the end, realized that the Doctor and Rose had something that she likes to think she has for him as well, but she knows in her heart she doesn't, and that's why it's better that she move on. Which was actually the moment I decided I would be very happy to see more Martha.

Also, I'm listening to the S1/S2 soundtrack I just downloaded I OBTAINED COMPLETELY LEGALLY, and "Song for Ten" really got me thinking. It's a very Ten/Rose song in the most literal sense: the entire song is the story of Ten and Rose, from beginning to end, and the last 'verse is about how if she wants to make him happy, she can have a good life, and whenever she needs him, all she has to do is close her eyes and dream, and he'll still be with her. There's some stuff about moving on, but he never tells her to let go.